Which is more painful when you give a lumbar or epidural needle

Whether lumbar anesthesia or epidural anesthesia, local anesthesia should be performed before operation. If the local anesthesia effect is good, the posterior anesthesia puncture will not be too painful. The lumbar anesthesia needle itself is thinner than the epidural needle, and simple puncture will definitely cause more pain in the epidural. However, many domestic hospitals generally use the combined lumbar epidural block puncture kit for lumbar anesthesia, which requires the epidural needle first, so it is basically the same